GENDER STUFF.
Posted September 11th, 2024
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--: CURRENT tentacleTherapist [CTT] RIGHT NOW opened memo on board GOG TALK. :--
CTT: As you are all aware, we've become gods of a new world.
CTT: I'd like to open a discussion on what kind of governance our new world- or, Earth C- should operate by.
CTT: Any suggestions to start?
--: CURRENT gallowsCalibrator [CGC] RIGHT NOW responded to memo. :--
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CGC: OH 4LSO
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CTT: Shall I also add patriarchy?
CTT: Patriarchy is a martriarchy, but with men.
CGC: Y34H TH4T TOO >:]
--: CURRENT gutsyGumshoe [CGG] RIGHT NOW responded to memo. :--
CGG: I agree!
CGG: Maybe we could go with something like America?
CGG: It sure did have its flaws, but I think in concept it was pretty good.
CGG: Like force the presidents or whoever to be completely honest, and actually try to do the things they say they will.
CGG: Stuff like that!
--: CURRENT carcinoGeneticist [CCG] RIGHT NOW responded to memo. :--
CCG: WHO THE FUCK DECIDED TO OPEN A MEMO?
CCG: ROSE. IM LOOKING AT YOU ROSE.
CCG: ARE YOU AWARE OF THE LINEAR CONSEQUENCES THESE TERRIBLE TROLLIAN INVENTIONS ALWAYS COME WITH???
CTT: Yes.
CTT: I thought it would be extremely informative if future versions of ourselves could chime in when they please to add their own thoughts to the discussion.
CTT: They could tell us the most fortuitous outcome, or expose the flaws in the system we had previously,
CTT: Which is to say now,
CTT: Agreed on.
CCG: WOW OK.
CCG: MAYBE THE ENTIRE TIME ALL OUR SESSION NEEDED TO BE ANYTHING EVEN BORDERING COHERENCE WAS A LIGHT PLAYER WHO WASNT A HUGE BITCH.
CCG: SHIT, SORRY TEREZI.
CGC: 1TS TRU3 THOUGH
--: FUTURE turntechGodhead [FTG] 26280:53 HOURS FROM NOW responded to memo. :--
FTG: sup
CTT: Ah, hello, Dave.
CTT: I assume you're here to tell us about the future governing body?
FTG: yeah sure
FTG: so basically
FTG: the whole planets got one government
FTG: and that governments got three branches
CGG: So it is like America!
FTG: yeah but also nah
FTG: so the legislative branch is all like
FTG: democratic as shit
FTG: we the people elect the people we wanna see in the house
FTG: oh yeah
FTG: the house is the name for the branch if you dont wanna call it the legislative branch
FTG: cause honestly legislative is really weird to say
FTG: not a good mouthfeel on that one
FTG: like never use legislative in a rap
FTG: the flow is non-existent lemme tell you
CTT: Dave.
FTG: sign
FTG: anyway the house has four quadrants
FTG: fuck
FTG: i mean quarters
--: CURRENT uranianUmbra [CUU] RIGHT NOW responded to memo. :--
CUU: sorry im late! please, do continUe :U
FTG: oh hell yeah calliope
FTG: hey callie
CUU: hello dave!
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--: CURRENT tipsyGnostic [CTG] RIGHT NOW responded to memo. :--
CTG: hey
CTG: not cool
CGC: 1 COMPL1M3NT3D H3R
CTG: lol yeah
CTG: im pulling ur leg
FTG: alright ima just keep yappin
FTG: so each quarter is for a different kingdom
FTG: oh yeah
FTG: we make kingdoms btw
FTG: theyre not like
FTG: rivals or enemies
FTG: its just an easy word to use
FTG: anyway
FTG: each quarter is for a different kingdom
FTG: and the kingdoms are carapacians consorts humans and trolls
FTG: and the seat-holders are determined by whole planet elections
FTG: like you should see the mail industry during election season
FTG: its ridiculous
FTG: the house determines laws and shit btw
CTT: This concept of 'kingdoms' seems very polarizing, especially when divided by species.
CTT: Does that have any societal problems?
FTG: if youre asking if racism exists
FTG: then no not really
FTG: i mean
FTG: there was one time i remember
FTG: and remember i am literally the time guy
FTG: but this troll dude was all upset at a consort dude who
FTG: idk
FTG: got his order wrong?
FTG: said some bad shit
FTG: i told that guy to shove it
FTG: and yknow
FTG: a god tells you to stop being racist
FTG: the fuck are you gonna do
FTG: keep being racist
FTG: nah
FTG: but yeah no we dont have racism
CGG: I'm sorry Dave, but I find that a little hard to really believe.
CGG: Even the most antiracist people could still have internal bias that might go unchecked.
CCG: I BARELY KNOW YOU AT ALL JANE HUMAN,
CCG: BUT GOGDAMNIT IVE BEEN SAYING THAT EXACT THING FOR A WHILE NOW.
CCG: FUCK YOU ALTERNIA.
CGG: I've been reading some good books lately. :)
CUU: i really dont want to get completely sidetracked
CUU: as lovely as this conversation is natUrally.
CUU: so dave, woUld yoU like to tell Us more?
FTG: i would like to acknowledge what jane said first
FTG: yo
FTG: jane
FTG: yeah youre correct as shit
FTG: but its not like its encouraged by government officials or anything
FTG: or religion
FTG: or historical 'research'
FTG: or whatever
FTG: so whenever it does happen it gets shut down real fuckin quick
FTG: and people are treated as people who can make mistakes and learn from them
FTG: so theres probably some kinda self-reflection thing going on
FTG: where someone looks back at their actions and thinks
FTG: you know what? maybe a black president isnt the end of the world
FTG: yk?
CUU: Uh...........?
CTT: Don't get bent out of shape too much.
CTT: It's a Striderism.
CUU: oh! heehee.
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FTG: haha yeah
FTG: oh shit you said years not sweeps
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--: FUTURE ectoBiologist [FEB] 26280:54 HOURS FROM NOW responded to memo. :--
FEB: hey guys!
FEB: oh hey, daves here too.
FEB: sweet!
FTG: hey 'bert
FTG: shit havent seen you in a while
FTG: whats been going on?
FEB: oh, you know.
FEB: ive been
FEB: around.
FTG: where dude
FTG: like seriously where have you been
FTG: wait
FTG: seriously and literally
FTG: seriously and literally where have you been man
FTG: i genuinely have no clue where you are on this planet
FTG: shit youre still on the planet right
FTG: you didnt fly off into space or something cause of windy powers right
FEB: no dave, i'm still on earth c.
FEB: there's no need to worry! ive been doing fine.
FEB: i just needed some time.
FEB: you know?
FTG: yeah
FTG: but you can talk to me about anything alright
FTG: like
FTG: you could tell me you killed a man and id be like
FTG: ok bro
FTG: you could ask me for help burying the body
FTG: and id just be like
FTG: ok dude
FTG: where we burying this rigor mortis'd mofo
FTG: actually i bet rose would know where to bury a body
FEB: dave.
FTG: so i go over and ask rose
FTG: yknow shes being all gothic
FTG: probably just has fuckin coffins we could borrow for this guy to use
FTG: and rose is all like
FTG: hm, dave, it seems you have a dead body here
FTG: so i go
FTG: yeah
FTG: me n john are burying this guy
FEB: dave!
FTG: so rose goes
FTG: i see, well, i have a very nice and large backyard you could bury this man in
FTG: so i go
FTG: that sounds good thx
FTG: so me and john go out into the backyard with a spade
FTG: shit
FTG: with a shovel
FTG: and me and him dig up a grave for this dude
FEB: DAVE!!!
FTG: oh
FTG: fuck im sorry
FTG: whats up
FEB: i don't even know!
FEB: fuck!
FEB: what the fuck is wrong with me?
FTG: woah what
FTG: hey hey hey
FTG: theres nothing wrong with you john
FEB: no! that's..
FEB: i don't
FEB: i don't have the words.
FTG: ok
FTG: you know where i live right
FTG: do you wanna come over?
FTG: maybe talk about it
FTG: maybe just watch a shitty movie and cuddle like the platonic bros we are
FEB: yeah.
FEB: that sounds good.
FEB: i'll be over soon.
FEB: oh, wait!
FEB: before i go, is there a roxy in here?
CTG: uh yeah hi im a roxy
CTG: current roxy tho
CTG: hi john!!!
CTG: oh wait
CTG: guess current means past for u?
CTG: something like that
CTG: wtv
CTG: yeah im here wassup :D
FEB: are you..
FEB: ugh, how do i phrase this.
FEB: are you thinking about gender?
CTG: oh
CTG: i mean
CTG: yeah a little??
CTG: im thniking about what even makes me a girl
CTG: thinking*
CTG: im not drunk i prommy
FEB: and what makes you a girl??
CTG: well
CTG: honestly
CTG: idk
CTG: i dunno if ive ever rly felt...
CTG: girly?
CTG: felt like a girl
CTG: cause like
CTG: whats that even supposed to feel like?????
FEB: i don't know.
FEB: whats being a boy supposed to feel like?
CTT: If I could put my two cents in...
FEB: go for it.
CTT: Thank you.
CTT: From my own experience, I've known I was a girl since I was seven.
CTT: My body always just felt like a vessel for who I knew I really was.
CTT: Thus, there was a noticable difference in how I perceived myself (or wanted myself to look), and how I actually looked.
CTT: Although now that I'm a literal god, I suppose making physical changes wouldn't be so hard.
CTT: But I digress.
CTT: For me, being a girl or feeling like a girl was always something I had felt, but never quite had the words to describe until a very serendipitous Google Search result.
--: CURRENT grimAuxillatrix [CGA] RIGHT NOW responded to memo. :--
CGA: I Believe That Some Trolls Experience Something Similar
CGA: Ive Heard Of Fellow Jadebloods Who Never Truly Fit Into The Label Woman Despite Jadebloods Being Known As An Exclusively Feminine Caste
CGA: Although I Think Weve All Realized The Hemospectrum Is Mostly Made Up For Discriminatory Purposes
FEB: ok.
FEB: so, what is that, called again?
CTT: When a person wishes to change their gender, feels like their true gender doesn't match their assigned gender, or some other feeling I'm unaware of, it's called being transgender.
CTT: Or transgenderism, but personally, I don't really like how that word sounds. Purely a personal vendetta.
FEB: ok but how would you know what your gender feels like?
FEB: i mean even you, a seer of light, doesn't know everything about it!
FEB: is this what being a boy is like??
FEB: fuck, my head hurts.
FTG: do you wanna come over now
FTG: ive got some stuff for headaches
FTG: and some crappy movie queued up
FEB: yeah.
FEB: yeah, that sounds good.
FEB: i'll try not to think about gender too hard on the way over haha.
FEB: see you there.
--: FUTURE ectoBiologist [FEB] stopped responding to memo. :--
FTG: well
FTG: it was chill talking to past people about politics or some noise
FTG: but ive got a friend coming over
FTG: so
FTG: bye
CTT: Thank you for the information, Dave.
CTT: Send your friend best wishes.
--: FUTURE turntechGodhead [FTG] stopped responding to memo. :--
CCG: WELL.
CCG: THAT WAS...
CCG: THAT WAS SOMETHING.
CGC: 4 LOT OF TH1NGS SUDD3NLY M4K3 S3NS3
CGG: Hm.
CUU: ive been thinking aboUt these sorts of things for a while now, actUally!
CUU: my existence as a cherUb seems to heavily reinforce a strict binary: there is one male cherUb and one female cherUb sharing a body.
CUU: its some Unspoken rUle, or whatever poppycock.
CUU: bUt, speaking from the heart, ive been feeling less and less female lately.
CUU: theres still faint traces of femininity, akin to residUe or pencil that's been erased, bUt is still visible.
CUU: and i think thats comfortable for me.
CUU: err, sorry. i began dominating the conversation.
CUU: woUld anyone else like to add their own thoUghts?
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CCG: MAYBE IT DOESNT FOR YOU, BUT IT PROBABLY DOES FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
CCG: ME...
CCG: ...I WOULDNT MIND BEING CALLED THEY. OR SHE.
CCG: THIS SEEMS LIKE SOME HUMAN BULLSHIT ANYWAY. WHY NOT CALL ME ANYTHING YOU WANT? GO FOR IT.
CTG: im rly not sure :\
CTG: when youre one of two people left on earth and u gotta survive by yourself
CTG: gender isnt really a priority?
CTG: yk??
CGA: I Like Being Feminine
CGA: Whatever That Means
CGA: I Suppose I Should Say Stereotypically Feminine
CTT: Me as well.
CTT: Actually, Roxy. I want to ask you a question about your mom.
CTT: Or... alternate universe me.
CTG: oh
CTG: yeah sure
CTG: shoot
CTT: Was she a woman?
CTT: I mean, biologically.
CTT: Eugh, that sounds so weird now that I say it out loud.
CTG: i think i get it
CTG: tbh i wanted to ask about your mom too
CTG: or yk
CTG: alt me
CTG: oh hold on lemme answer u first
CTG: so i never really met my mom
CTG: but there were a lot of interviews i watched
CTG: a couple of sightings of the elusive authro
CTG: author*
CTG: ugh
CTG: stuff like that
CTG: i remember specifically
CTG: there was a video of her answering questions at a con panel
CTG: i WISH i was there ugh :(
CTG: and one person asked about the nonbinary rep of the main character of cotl calmasis
CTG: yk
CTG: so she answers the question with this really wordy response
CTG: and it takes me like five minutes to decipher what shes saying lmfao
CTG: but she was basically like
CTG: "i wanted to show that people who arent male or female arent alien"
CTG: "and provide a way for nonbinary people to see themselves in media"
CTG: "yadda yadda woke girlbossing"
CTG: but yeah
CTG: she always looked so put 2gether too
CTG: like when she heard the question she didnt even look phased
CTG: she looked... i dunno
CTG: amused??
CTG: whatever
CTG: i think when i watched that
CTG: was the first time i started questioning my own gender
CTG: so
CTG: thanks i guess
CTT: I... You're welcome.
CTT: Although I'm not sure I, the Rose who never published CoTL, should be taking that credit.
CTT: It's still appreciated, though.
CTT: About my own mother, she was...
CTT: Rough around the edges.
CTT: I can't really tell you that much about her, truthfully.
CTT: I never felt like I knew her.
CTT: Meeting you and learning about you has changed that, I suppose.
CTT: For one, I now know her love of wizards wasn't an ironic attack directed at me.
CTT: Oh, that reminds me. You'll love this:
CTT: She had a 50-foot tall wizard statue put in the living room.
CTG: le GASP!!!!!!!!!!
CTT: Hehe, yeah.
CTT: It had to be lowered in by a crane.
CTG: omg omg omg
CTG: callie can we get something like that
CUU: Um...........
CUU: oh dear, look at the time!
CUU: i need to...........
CUU: water the pUmpkins for today!!
CUU: ta! ^U^
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CTG: callie waaaiit
CTG: the wizard!!!
CTG: aw man :(
CGG: You dont even have to water pumpkins daily!
CTG: >:o
CTG: smh callie
CCG: DOES ANYONE ELSE REMEMBER WHEN THIS MEMO WAS ABOUT POLITICS?
CCG: I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THIS,
CCG: BUT LETS GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT POLITICS.
CGA: Buzz Kill
CGG: I'm tired from all the talking honestly, so I'll be going now.
CGG: Have fun everyone! :B
CTG: bye janey! :3
CTG: hehe see what i did there with the faces
CTG: hehehe :3 :3 :3
CGG: Haha!
CGG: Alright, goodbye! :B :B :B
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CCG: ACTUALLY I LIED.
CCG: THIS IS REALLY FUCKING TIRING. IM HITTING THE RECUPRACOON.
CCG: I HATE YOU ALL, GO FUCK YOURSELF, YADA YADA.
CTT: Thank you for not supplying the unabridged version of your pleasant goodbye message.
CCG: YOU SPECIFICALLY. YOU FUCKING SUCK.
CCG: YOU MADE THIS TERRIBLE MEMO, LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
CCG: THE CONSEQUENCES BEING GENDER I GUESS.
CCG: ACTUALLY NO, IM NOT GOING TO TRY AND THINK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. FUTURE KARKATS PROBLEM.
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CGC: BUT SHUSHHHHHH >:]
CTG: alr ill bite
CTG: tbh dont really feel like i kno u that well
CTG: like
CTG: we didnt rly talk that much in the game
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CTG: PFFT
CTG: OMG what
CTG: roxy human??? lmao
CTG: alr terezi troll ill be right over
CTG: lmfaooooo
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CTG: gonna fly over cause fuck walkin
CTG: pchooooo
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CTT: What did Terezi mean by those emoticon eyebrows?
CTT: ...Are those even eyebrows, or are they meant to depict Terezi's horns?
CGA: It Appears To Be Interchangeable
CGA: Which Is A Short Way Of Saying I Have No Clue
CTT: Lovely.
CTT: And... What did Terezi mean by that?
CGA: Um
CGA: Well
CGA: You Know How Terezi Can Be
CGA: Always So Conniving
CGA: Lets Not Think Much Of It
CGA: Ok
CGA: ?
CTT: Hm. Okay.
CTT: But truly, do you have any guesses?
CGA: None At All
CTT: Are you absolutely sure?
CGA: Yes
CTT: It would be a shame if this mystery went unresolved.
CGA: Rose I Cannot Do This
CGA: Stop Pushing To Learn I
CGA: I Will Disclose The Meaning Of Terezis Final Message When Im Ready
CTT: Ah, so you do know what it means.
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CTT: Oh.
CTT: ...
CTT: ...
CTT: ...
CTT: Shit.
--: CURRENT tentacleTherapist [CTT] closed memo. :--
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